A WIN for our side!!!!!!!!

THE RAGHEADS MUST SMOKE IN MICH.

Don't get too excited; it very likely will eventually pass. This vote was just posturing to try to get some minor concessions out of the Governor.

Posturing or not.....some one needs to wake up and stop balancing budgets on the backs of smokers.

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Wasn't disagreeing, just saying that this wasn't a very meaningful vote. The House did have the votes to pass a more limited cig tax increase (just on cigarettes, not on all tobacco products). Granholm wouldn't go along with a partial increase, so they voted on her proposal and voted it down. The Michigan GOP is too tied in to too much of state spending (prisons, schools, hospitals and nursing homes, etc all have big constituencies among Republican contributors) to make the cuts necessary to avoid tax increases.

What is this with million dollar shortfalls in state budgets? Don't they know how to budget? CUT SPENDING.

They had the votes for the more limited tax increase on the cigarettes ----probably because most of them smoke cigars.......


I realized you weren't disagreeing with me - but the point is that the states are spending millions of dollars screaming at tobacco users to stop, but instead of cutting that spending to cover budget shortfalls, they come after the tobacco users, generally cigarette smokers, to cover their butts.

Michigan Smokers 

SMOKERS’ CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE STATE ECONOMY 
In 2001, Michigan smokers comprised only 25.6% (1) of the adult population in the state. Here is what they already pay because they choose to buy a legal product: 

Smokers Pay Excise Taxes (2) $ 566,758,605 

Smokers Pay Sales Taxes (2) $ 166,192,620 

Smokers Pay Tobacco Settlement Payments (3) $ 311,406,111 

$1,044,357,336 


Smokers’ Economic/Tax Profile 2001 

Income (1) 

Michigan smokers’ median household income $ 34,798 

Michigan nonsmokers’ median household income $ 44,811 

Working families pay more (1) 

35% of Michigan smokers had household incomes LESS than $25,000 

13% of Michigan smokers had household incomes EQUAL to or GREATER THAN $75,000 

The impact of smoker payments on the incomes of working families was more than THREE TIMES the impact on higher income smokers. Those who can afford it least pay a disproportionate percentage of their hard-earned income in smoker payments. 

Smoker excise tax/sales tax/tobacco settlement payments liability in 2002 (4) 

Total avg. paid per Michigan smoker in excise and sales taxes $ 390 

Cost per Michigan smoker for settlement payments to Michigan $ 166 

Total annual payments to Michigan per smoker $ 556 

Total annual payments to Michigan per nonsmoker $ 0 

Michigan Smoker Facts (5) 

Michigan FY2002 smoker payments were: 

Nearly 8 times larger than state excise taxes on alcoholic beverages in FY2001 ($136.6 million) 

Almost as large as Michigan’s FY2001 motor fuels tax collections ($1.074 billion) 

Larger than FY2001 motor vehicle license revenues ($837.6 million). 

The total FY2002 amount paid by smokers in Michigan could fund: 

FY2002 appropriations for: the Department of Education ($995 million) 

OR 

The Department of Environmental Quality ($458 million) AND Consumer and Industry Services ($557.5 million) COMBINED 

OR 

The State Police ($407.3 million) AND community colleges ($321.6 million) AND the Department of Natural Resources ($288.7 million) COMBINED. 

In 1997, smokers provided 10,767 jobs that paid an additional $19.6 million to the state in personal and corporate income taxes. (6) 


CIGARETTES DON’T PAY TAXES – MICHIGAN SMOKERS DO!! 

1. Centers for Disease Control’s Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance System, 2001 

2. Orzechowski & Walker, Arlington, Virginia; from state revenue department 

3. PriceWaterhouseCooper 

4. U.S. Census Bureau, 2000 state population and Centers for Disease Control’s Behavioral Risk Surveillance System, 2001 

5. Tax and Budget Comparisons are from U.S. Census Bureau and the Michigan State Budget Office, Fiscal Year 2003 Budget Recommendations http://www.state.mi.us/dmb/budget/fy2003/contents.htm. 

6. American Economics Group, Inc., The U.S. Tobacco Industry in 1997: Its Economic Impact in the States

Kramer! LOL! That's so funny! hehe!

from the New York Post 5/15/04

One-third blow off city cig tax

by David Seifman

A third of smokers here aren't paying the $ 1.50-a-pack cigarette tax-leading the city health commissioner to warn that smuggled smokes are "the single biggest threat" to the city's tough anti-smoking law.

"There has been a substantial increase in the purchase and consumption of nontaxed and smuggled cigarettes in New York City and other high taxed jurisdictions," Thomas Frieden told a Crain's New York breakfast forum.

"This is probably the single biggest threat in progress to tobacco control in New York City."

Cigareette sales in the five boroughs collapsed after the city increased its portion of the tax from 8c to $ 1.50 a pack on July 2, 2002.

In the next 12 months 182 million packs were sold-compared to 342 million in the previous 12 month period.

Sandra Mullin, a Health Department spokeswoman, said two-thirds of smokers who responded to a recent survey said they are buying their cigarettes legally.

"Others are purchasing cigarettes from sources such as Indian reservations, through the internet, from outside the U.S., from other states, through the mail," she said.

A pack of camels was selling for $ 6.75 yesterday at the smoke shop across from City Hall.

But on the internet, the upstate Seneca Indians were peddling a carton of 10 packs for $ 30.75 less than half the regular retail price.

Frieden called on the federal and state governments to enforce the law on Indian reservation sales. By law, city residents can purchase only two cartons of untaxed cigarettes at a time for personal use.

"The state does have the implementation authority," declared Frieden. "They went to the Supreme Court to get it and they're not using it."

end of article

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